Right this series is going to be posts or parts of posts from various PU forums that i think challenges the prevailing paradigmns in the PU scene which has a strange form of idolitary for the alpha male image. Also, i shall bring forth posts challenging dishonesty and manipulartion. I believe that there is a shift in some sectors of the PU scene towards ‘being oneself’, ‘(genuine)respect for women’ and a distaste for manipulation and dishonesty emerging in the PU scene. There seems to be a lot of momentum gathering in this sector, and its a process that is by no means nearly finished and it appears to me that this process is going through a lot of refinement discarding the old mold, but at times is still present. Its an exciting development and i think it may go much further in the future putting to death many of the old idols in the PU scene…. What i post in this series is what i think challanges these notions although i may not agree with everything i post here…
This has been partly inspired by the thinkinggirl thread on PU with regards to alphaness, manipulation et al that i thought i should post here rather than clutter up further the thread…..
with that said onto post#1: exerpts from the thread titled ‘Fuck Value’ by Comecuca on the badboycafe forum (direct seduction forum).
First off I am absolutely fed up with the obsession with value that most guys in the community have. What the fuck is going on? This obsession is leading to a lot of unnecessary trouble with guys not understanding what to do to the point where they can’t figure things out and just drop off back to their old habits and give up on the community.
……….Most guys who are reading stuff about seduction have this imaginary 200 pound uber macho guy as an example of a guy that gets laid. So what happens? The community has you compare yourself to this guy not even knowing that this is not the only thing that women find attractive. Sure these guys get laid but at the same time the women who are going out with them would go out with a regular guy just as fast if he learned how to get out of his own way and show something which these guys may or may not have. So in this post I’d like to open up your eyes to how you can get over your obsession with value once and for all and start learning how to open up to women………
Most of the guys that PM me have the same small problem. They have finally decided to go out and approach women but they’re so scared that instead of being AFC now they become ass holes or worse unfriendly/creepy. This dawned on me because it was the same shit that I was doing until recently. Sure I was getting laid but I was putting in too much work. So what was it? I created the perfect masculine image for myself to hide what was truly underneath. Sound familiar? Well it sure as fuck should if I’m getting 10 to 15 of you guys writing me a month and it is the same fucking problem over and over again.
What this does is that it takes you from one extreme to another but it doesn’t find the sweet spot where you need to be. This sweet spot is made up of what a woman finds attractive in a man (masculinity) and what she finds even more attractive a guy who can open up to her and listen to her as well. This my friends is the ideal that women long for. See you can be the best looking, machoest man in the world but a lot of women will not go for you if you don’t show your natural side because you come off as a fake. You’ll get chicks but you’ll get the ones that go for fakeness. On the other hand if you’re super friendly and give out a good vibe they’re willing to overlook a lot of things because they want to feel good around you. This phenomenon is real because women, as much as some may not want to reveal, are just as scared of you as you are of them. So in these instances the ability to make friends is a very valuable one. You ever hear an expert telling guys how they should talk to women as if they were talking to their guy friends? This is why. So you have all of your body language and leading down pat for attraction but don’t let that be the only side of you.
See opening up and revealing yourself is what value truly is. It’s not just posturing and sprawling yourself all over a couch and it most definitely isn’t a well placed DHV or anything like that either. We here talk a lot about leading and one of the most important characteristics of a leader is being proud of who he is. If you were to allow yourself to open up and share your own embarrasing stories or your deepest secrets then guess what? Women will too. You’ll create a bond so strong that you’ll have her. If you go back to my sweet spot commentary above there’s no reason why a woman would LJBF you. LJBF is a big reason why guys have sworn off opening themselves up. By showing your natural side to a woman you allow her to open up to you and women really, really like this.
