the Posts that i Pick Up # 1

Right this series is going to be posts or parts of posts from various PU forums that i think challenges the prevailing paradigmns in the PU scene which has a strange form of idolitary for the alpha male image. Also, i shall bring forth posts challenging dishonesty and manipulartion. I believe that there is a shift in some sectors of the PU scene towards ‘being oneself’, ‘(genuine)respect for women’ and a distaste for manipulation and dishonesty emerging in the PU scene. There seems to be a lot of momentum gathering in this sector, and its a process that is by no means nearly finished and it appears to me that this process is going through a lot of refinement discarding the old mold, but at times is still present. Its an exciting development and i think it may go much further in the future putting to death many of the old idols in the PU scene…. What i post in this series is what i think challanges these notions although i may not agree with everything i post here…

This has been partly inspired by the thinkinggirl thread on PU with regards to alphaness, manipulation et al that i thought i should post here rather than clutter up further the thread…..

with that said onto post#1: exerpts from the thread titled ‘Fuck Value’ by Comecuca on the badboycafe forum (direct seduction forum).

First off I am absolutely fed up with the obsession with value that most guys in the community have. What the fuck is going on? This obsession is leading to a lot of unnecessary trouble with guys not understanding what to do to the point where they can’t figure things out and just drop off back to their old habits and give up on the community.

 ……….Most guys who are reading stuff about seduction have this imaginary 200 pound uber macho guy as an example of a guy that gets laid. So what happens? The community has you compare yourself to this guy not even knowing that this is not the only thing that women find attractive. Sure these guys get laid but at the same time the women who are going out with them would go out with a regular guy just as fast if he learned how to get out of his own way and show something which these guys may or may not have. So in this post I’d like to open up your eyes to how you can get over your obsession with value once and for all and start learning how to open up to women………

Most of the guys that PM me have the same small problem. They have finally decided to go out and approach women but they’re so scared that instead of being AFC now they become ass holes or worse unfriendly/creepy. This dawned on me because it was the same shit that I was doing until recently. Sure I was getting laid but I was putting in too much work. So what was it? I created the perfect masculine image for myself to hide what was truly underneath. Sound familiar? Well it sure as fuck should if I’m getting 10 to 15 of you guys writing me a month and it is the same fucking problem over and over again.

What this does is that it takes you from one extreme to another but it doesn’t find the sweet spot where you need to be. This sweet spot is made up of what a woman finds attractive in a man (masculinity) and what she finds even more attractive a guy who can open up to her and listen to her as well. This my friends is the ideal that women long for. See you can be the best looking, machoest man in the world but a lot of women will not go for you if you don’t show your natural side because you come off as a fake. You’ll get chicks but you’ll get the ones that go for fakeness. On the other hand if you’re super friendly and give out a good vibe they’re willing to overlook a lot of things because they want to feel good around you. This phenomenon is real because women, as much as some may not want to reveal, are just as scared of you as you are of them. So in these instances the ability to make friends is a very valuable one. You ever hear an expert telling guys how they should talk to women as if they were talking to their guy friends? This is why. So you have all of your body language and leading down pat for attraction but don’t let that be the only side of you.

See opening up and revealing yourself is what value truly is. It’s not just posturing and sprawling yourself all over a couch and it most definitely isn’t a well placed DHV or anything like that either. We here talk a lot about leading and one of the most important characteristics of a leader is being proud of who he is. If you were to allow yourself to open up and share your own embarrasing stories or your deepest secrets then guess what? Women will too. You’ll create a bond so strong that you’ll have her. If you go back to my sweet spot commentary above there’s no reason why a woman would LJBF you. LJBF is a big reason why guys have sworn off opening themselves up. By showing your natural side to a woman you allow her to open up to you and women really, really like this.

 

Demonstrations of Diversity…

 Edited to add: This post HAS got past the spam thing, I’m too impatient with these computers, anyhow i will leave this post here, since i would like to have some dialouge with feminists and PUA around the themes that PUArtistry throws up. I will write a more extensive post on these aims here in due course.

Stupid title i know but i thought it sounded like PU community talk so i just couldn’t resisit it. Anyway what is presented below is a post i made on the excellent thinking girl blog thread on feminist critique of PUA ideology.

 http://thinkinggirl.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/professional-pick-up-artists-run-woman-tricking-business-to-help-guys-get-laid/

Unfortunately, my posts resemble spam thus the spam blocker blocked it so im going to post it here anyhow just in case anybody should be intrested in reading it.

One of the little-understood facts of the PUA community is that PUAs and PUA gurus are constantly trying to “neg” and “AMOG” those who are not of their group or school or method, or someone who they deem as a rival for their “target’s” attentions.

Negs are definitely popular within the PU community but they are by no means deemed as universal. I have posted a couple of posts I discovered after a quick web search to give a couple of examples to demonstrate this point.

http://direct-method.net/invisionboard/index.php?showtopic=2489

Last night I was explaining to my wing, a guy with Aspergers, how negging is dumb because it is used to cut girls down. I told him that it comes from lack of inner game, because by doing it, you are automatically assuming the girl is of higher value, or better than you. Then you cut her down out of insecurity and revenge for this “subjective” fact. This is a bad mindset. You are being reactive because you place her frame higher than your own. I told him you could never get too far with this girl because you are already assuming she is better than you, and IF she stays with you, she will only do so if you keep cutting her down, putting her in her place per se. she would have to be pretty low self-esteem to take this as well.

http://direct-method.net/invisionboard/index.php?s=&showtopic=2489&view=findpost&p=18403

By “negging” you are demonstrating lower value, as well as trying to qualify yourself to her.

The point of negging is to bring her down a notch or two. That automatically sub-communicates that she is above you, and that you have to try to bring her down to “your level”

The other point of negging is to show that you are not intimidated by her beauty, and that you feel comfortable enough around HB9’s and 10’s to the point where you can behave that way around them, but it just sub-communicates that you are also trying to qualify yourself to her at the same time.

“I negged you, because I’m not intimidated by you” so to speak.

It’s like when you’re about to get into a fight, and your opponent says “I’m not afraid of you” or “You don’t want to fight me”

By saying that, it shows that he is indeed afraid of you, but he’s trying to convince you he’s not.

Same principle applies to “negging”

With regards to ”arms dealing” and Neil Streuss, I was just arguing essentially that this ‘arm dealing’ thing is a precedent that has already been done by David DeAngelo. (At least according to the wikipedia article). But from my own personal experience with ALL PUA gurus (including the ones that I have a wee bit of a leaning towards),  are all in it for the money, and just like any good capitalist, the best way to maxamise returns is through finding new markets. Reminds me of the growing male cosmetic industry, some bright spark in some boardroom had the epiphany that there was another 50% of the population that was an untapped potential market.

 Neil Streuss has proven with the creation of the “annhilation method” his quasi nepotisitic marketing as the ‘worlds greatest pickup artist’ with a source that was far from objective demonstrates that his first concern is with his bankaccount, not with his conscience.